https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zxp1y5lwo
Not the article but the picture the BBC used is fucking priceless

That is a stroke isn't it?
˙ƃuıʇıɹʍ ʎuıʇ ʎllɐǝɹ uʍop ǝpısdnEverything on the internet is 100% true.
– Abraham Lincoln
To say the things that he peddled and were absorbed en masse as they were as "dumb things" is, I feel, very short-sighted. That's the best way I can put it nicely. From the age of only 19 he paraded himself as an activist when those that he targeted under DEI culture and far worse by far were all intentionally to cause distrust and outright anger - Charlie Kirk altered people's perceptions of others and the world in general in the most egregious disgusting ways imaginable. Do I feel for his Kids? of course I do, I'm not party to some of the utterly depraved things some on the left are shitting out on the regular right now which I find shameful, the extents being taken. I respect he was a family man, I feel for his kids unreservedly.Stormbringer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:15 pmNobody should be murdered because they say dumb things.
I'm not sure what you were doing at another time in your life, but I'd hazard a guess that you weren't saying black people shouldn't pilot aircraft, claiming husbands should own their wives, and decrying the concept of empathy from a high-profile platform reaching millions of impressionable people. The guy shouldn't have been murdered, of course not, but let's not equate the dumb things we did when we were young to attempting to convert a new generation of nazis.Stormbringer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:15 pmIf he had been allowed to live, he may have matured and come to turn away from the erroneous ideas he once espoused. I know I have in my own life, from terrible things I once used to think. Nobody should be murdered because they say dumb things.
It's a difficult one wrestling with the harsh reality that whilst it is very sad that a man with a family has died, the world is undoubtedly a better place without him in it. He preached hatred and evil and now he can't do that anymore.Stormbringer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:57 pmMy point of that post was more, to paraphrase Nietzsche, that we should be careful when we fight with monsters that we do not become monsters ourselves. If we show contempt for a man by declaring (from an assumed moral high ground) he is nothing but a waste of matter, then we enter into the same base state in which Kirk's contempt for other humans operates.
˙ƃuıʇıɹʍ ʎuıʇ ʎllɐǝɹ uʍop ǝpısdnEverything on the internet is 100% true.
– Abraham Lincoln
I completely agree; well put, sir!Wrathbone wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:24 amThis is perhaps a weird comparison, but the way I feel about Charlie Kirk's death reminds me of how I felt about Saddam Hussein's execution. To be clear, I'm not comparing him to Saddam as they were both awful in very different ways. What it reminds me of is when Saddam - a figure who was rightfully reviled - was being dragged into the execution room, having the hood put over his head and the noose round his neck, and he just looked like an old, terrified man. I'm fundamentally against the death penalty because even when done with as much dignity as is possible (which Saddam's execution was not), it comes across to me as a bunch of baying dogs who want blood.
I've thankfully not seen the footage of Kirk actually being shot, but I've read a disturbingly detailed description, and in that moment to me he was just a person being murdered in front of his family. All the commentators from both the left and the right arguing about his politics - some trying to make him a martyr, others outright revelling in his demise - struck me as not that different from Saddam's frenzied execution mob. I think it's entirely possible, maybe even basically human, to be able to detest someone for their views and their negative impact on the world while also finding their death tragic and regrettable.
You would think that should allow the left and the right to find common ground in that basic humanity, but instead it's divided each side further apart. The terminator had it right: it's in our nature to destroy ourselves.